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General Category => Car Talk => Topic started by: Maxaxle on December 16, 2013, 05:47:50 pm

Title: Best non-American Muscle Cars?
Post by: Maxaxle on December 16, 2013, 05:47:50 pm
I know that seems oddly specific, but I've always kind of wondered what would happen if there was a Street Rod game set in anywhere but the U.S., which would (obviously) change the car set completely.

Region by region, here's my understanding of car "demographics" by country (in the 1970s):
Australia: Mostly Australian-built GMs (Holden, Ford, Chevrolet).
Asia (in an overall sense): I really don't know. Toyotas? AFAIK not as good as cars from the U.S. or Europe. Prime exceptions: Toyota Celica, Toyota S800, Mazda RX3.
Europe: European cars, mostly. Smaller and often more efficient and/or safer than their counterparts, since Asia's cars weren't QUITE up to spec yet. AFAIK for some reason, European V6s tended to be less efficient than their U.S.-made counterparts.
Title: Re: Best non-American Muscle Cars?
Post by: Nickisme123 on December 17, 2013, 03:05:33 am
Australia would have all the older Ford falcons like XR,XT,XW,XY and XA-XC aswell as the coupe versions and as a rare car would have the Ford GTHO Phase 4. For Holden (GM) there would be all the Monaros and Toranas. There would also be Chevy bel airs as there was some GM Australia complianced right hand drive ones.
Title: Re: Best non-American Muscle Cars?
Post by: cdoublejj on December 17, 2013, 03:53:42 pm
afaik all the Australian cars were re branded US cars with right hand drive.
Title: Re: Best non-American Muscle Cars?
Post by: Nickisme123 on December 18, 2013, 02:43:29 am
Not all, Americans never had XW-XY, XA-XC or any Monaros or Toranas that i know of, I'm more of a Ford guy than a Holden/GM
Title: Re: Best non-American Muscle Cars?
Post by: TSJ on July 15, 2014, 02:54:15 am
Citröen 2CV  ;D
Title: Re: Best non-American Muscle Cars?
Post by: Tzatyr on April 11, 2015, 09:59:12 am
As an Argentinian, I can tell you about 2 fantastic muscle cars that were built in my country in the 60's and 70's.

The fist was the Renault Torino (unrelated to the Ford Torino and based in the american Rambler 440) that can be thought as the national car. In the 80's it was remade and started using arguably the best transmission made at the time in the country (ZF). The engine was a 6 inline 2.3 cu.in. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKA-Renault_Torino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKA-Renault_Torino))

The second was the Dodge GTX which was also produced in Mexico. It came with a V8 of 318 cu.in MOPAR Edelbrock Holley of 230 HP . It was killer in straight line, but nearly impossible to turn at high speeds.
Title: Re: Best non-American Muscle Cars?
Post by: cdoublejj on April 14, 2015, 10:20:40 pm
what year did the DODGE GTX come out?
Title: Re: Best non-American Muscle Cars?
Post by: Tzatyr on April 24, 2015, 06:58:25 pm
In 1970. It was produced until 1979.
Title: Re: Best non-American Muscle Cars?
Post by: speedyyouri on May 13, 2015, 03:15:52 pm
Europe: 1964-65 Opel Diplomat Coupe 5.4 (Chevy V-8 327 Sebring racing engine)
(http://www.mad4wheels.com/webpics/hires/00006649%20-%201965%20Opel%20Diplomat%20(%20A%20)%20V8%20coup%C3%A9/1965_Opel_Diplomat_(_A_)_V8_coup%C3%A9_001_6995.jpg)
(http://bp2.blogger.com/__FoOrnc0QD8/Ri2UGK0XU6I/AAAAAAAAALQ/c8L5ikM0Gd4/s400/1965+Opel+Diplomat+5.4+Coupe+full+interior.jpg)
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Apparently, the small-blocks used in the Opel Diplomat 5.4 are special “endurance racing” versions of the standard Chevrolet small-block engine owing to the fact that the guys at Opel kept burning up the various small-block powerplants (including the standard Corvette engine) sent to them by Chevrolet during the sustained high-speed testing they did for the Diplomat. In order to replicate Autobahn conditions, they ran the cars at a sustained speed of 125 mph for hours on end, and in the process, destroyed quite a few engines. The Opel engineers first went through the stock Chevrolet 5.4 small-block engine, then a special “enhanced” engine that had some Corvette pieces, then the actual Corvette engine, and then were finally sent the “endurance racing” engines which made the grade and thus became the only V8 offered in the Diplomat 5.4 model.

So that’s the engine you got if you had an Opel Diplomat 5.4, and this may also explain why, that although not many Opel Diplomat 5.4 models were produced, you see a fair percentage of the few cars left with very high mileage and still running strong. The Opel Diplomat sort of had a Corvette engine, but not the production engines used in road-going Corvettes – it had the engines used in the Corvettes (and other cars) that did hard-core endurance racing like at Sebring and LeMans. It was a tougher, more durable, higher-revving (and more expensive) small-block V8 than the production Corvette engine, and a better engine all around.

Jensen Interceptor 6.3/7.2
Title: Re: Best non-American Muscle Cars?
Post by: Maxaxle on May 21, 2015, 08:37:10 pm
I totally forgot about the Jensen! And that Opel is something else, I didn't know about it at all.
Title: Re: Best non-American Muscle Cars? Perfect fit
Post by: ST1 on October 09, 2016, 07:35:24 am
These are not American, they are South African special edition however they are very applicable to the game and fit the time line perfectly.

Regards
ST1




http://www.africanmusclecars.com/index.php/chevrolet-holden-opel/chev-firenza-canam (http://www.africanmusclecars.com/index.php/chevrolet-holden-opel/chev-firenza-canam)

The Chevy Canam is an insane car. It was built in 1972 for racing consisting of a very light Vauxhall Firenza body and the Z28 engine used in racing in America, but better known for their use in Camaros. The high performance engine and light body gave it superior performance figures, awesome even by todays standards:

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTUkhWS4myf936_271ArbiWKzVk0lS-CPdnS83wcgfGl6pYDQwS8JV4Rm82bg)

Title: Re: Best non-American Muscle Cars? Ford v8 Perana
Post by: ST1 on October 09, 2016, 07:43:36 am
http://perana.org/capriv8.asp (http://perana.org/capriv8.asp)
The car was based on the Mk1 Ford Capri 3000 XL. It was powered by an up-rated Ford Mustang 5 litre V8 (Windsor Small Block Ford) engine. Power was fed through a four speed close ratio Mustang 'top loader' gearbox to a custom limited slip rear axle derived from the Australian Ford Falcon XW rear end. Automatic transmission was an option where the Ford C4 automatic was used.
(http://www.motorstown.com/images/ford-capri-perana-v8-03.jpg)
Title: Re: Best non-American Muscle Cars? FAIRMONT GT
Post by: ST1 on October 09, 2016, 07:58:04 am
http://www.africanmusclecars.com/index.php/ford/fairmont-gt (http://www.africanmusclecars.com/index.php/ford/fairmont-gt)

The South African fairmont GT was built from 1970 to 1973. The 1970 model is a CKD version of the Australian XW Falcon GT and the 1971 to 1973 model is a CKD version of the Australian XY Falcon GT. The 1970 model featured a 2v 351 cleveland engine and the 1971 to 1973 mocel used a 4v 351 cleveland engine. The most apparant difference between the two different models are the shaker scoop on the 1971 to 1973 version and differences in the grill.

(http://www.africanmusclecars.com/OriginalImages/white2.jpg)
Title: Re: Best non-American Muscle Cars?
Post by: Chuckmeister85 on November 18, 2016, 08:17:44 pm
Ford XC Falcon, finished 1-2 in the Bathurst 1000 a lap ahead of 3rd place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iZLztevmf4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iZLztevmf4)
Title: Re: Best non-American Muscle Cars?
Post by: cdoublejj on November 20, 2016, 05:26:55 pm
You guys really need to see this documentary!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1284028/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1284028/)
Title: Re: Best non-American Muscle Cars?
Post by: Maxaxle on November 20, 2016, 11:31:52 pm
You guys really need to see this documentary!

[url]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1284028/[/url] ([url]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1284028/[/url])


Oooooh. I'll definitely add it to the list.
Title: Re: Best non-American Muscle Cars?
Post by: Chuckmeister85 on December 16, 2016, 07:26:21 pm
It does look great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmkpsQmsRpI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmkpsQmsRpI)
Title: Re: Best non-American Muscle Cars?
Post by: cdoublejj on December 17, 2016, 01:13:23 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws5uhrRBHzE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws5uhrRBHzE)
Title: Re: Best non-American Muscle Cars?
Post by: Chuckmeister85 on December 17, 2016, 07:45:07 pm
Pretty interesting to see a full film or documentary on YouTube that is not heavily cropped, most of the films you see on there are so trimmed down it is not worth watching.
Title: Re: Best non-American Muscle Cars?
Post by: cdoublejj on December 20, 2016, 10:59:24 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdjwZAAup1M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdjwZAAup1M)
Title: Re: Best non-American Muscle Cars?
Post by: Chuckmeister85 on December 21, 2016, 06:20:52 am
Nice to see it back in one piece unlike the XE Falcon in the video below that also went into trees.

If there was a 1980's version of Street Rod, the XE Falcon would make a nice addition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpNqdpVebMY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpNqdpVebMY)
Title: Re: Best non-American Muscle Cars?
Post by: cdoublejj on December 24, 2016, 07:27:44 pm
That's was crazy. While this isn't a muscle car it is a v8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-lbxIJD3V8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-lbxIJD3V8)
Title: Re: Best non-American Muscle Cars?
Post by: ST1 on January 02, 2017, 06:33:29 am
You guys really need to see this documentary!

[url]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1284028/[/url] ([url]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1284028/[/url])


Oooooh. I'll definitely add it to the list.



I was able to watch this via Kodi TV with the exodus plug in.
It was released in 2009,  features Eric Bana,  interviews with Jeremy Clarkson and Dr Phil.

Very surprised I had not heard of it before.  It was not very popular as I could not find it o  torrents and the one link I got took a month to download but got stuck at 78.2%   :(

He has the car from 15 years old and despite earning millions of dollars he keeps and rebuilds it.  He really does "love the beast".  He rebuilds the car and keeps it road legal with no expenses spared.

After the cars "racing history"  and a two year  rebuild in 2014 it now sits in his garage and he uses it for Sunday drives.